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	<title>Comments on: 400 Days and some Saint Saëns</title>
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		<title>By: nancy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I couldn't resist trying to start a Movement (no pun intended) to restrain our standing ovations.  You should receive the facebook invitation shortly!  lol.

and wow - maybe we should start another movement - bringing back Booing into the classical music scene?  (I'd never have the heart ... but I bet attendance would increase if word about those kind of shenanigans got out!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I couldn&#8217;t resist trying to start a Movement (no pun intended) to restrain our standing ovations.  You should receive the facebook invitation shortly!  lol.</p>
<p>and wow - maybe we should start another movement - bringing back Booing into the classical music scene?  (I&#8217;d never have the heart &#8230; but I bet attendance would increase if word about those kind of shenanigans got out!)</p>
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		<title>By: ddrucker</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nancy! Glad you liked this. I've lately been listening to the other  (bigger) piece on the album, the Brahms Sonata in F Minor,  and their performance is growing on me each time, especially the last movement, which by the end really gets my heart racing.

So, should an encore be reserved for when it's undeniable that the audience wants one? Sure! Does the performer know that from the stage? That's uncertain.  Ideally, a performer: 1) Has prepared an encore (or a few of them) , but is not overly disappointed if they don't get a chance to play them and 2) The audience clearly is showing enthusiasm, with multiple curtain calls and cries of 'Encore!' (Sounds clear enough to me, anyway).

While one of these is often true, both may not be. If a performer is not 100% sure that an encore is welcome, they may be a bit too quick to return to the stage, for fear of losing the chance. On the other hand, audiences have begun to nearly always give a performance that isn't bad a standing ovation. That's a real shame, as it's making standing ovations common, which is exactly what they are not supposed to be. As standing ovations get more common (and predictable), the performer may think they are standing in wait for an encore, when what they're really  doing is getting their coats on to leave.

It would be great if appreciation and reciprocation (with encores) were more definitive, but based on performers can see or here, and the lack of clarity from the audience, communications between these 2 parties are not going to get better in the near future.

Oh, and yes, audiences booed, rioted and stormed out in the 19th (and 20th) centuries. Most of the ones I've been to have been annoyingly polite. I do remember a concert one summer when I was a student at Tanglewood, where a conductor led the Boston Symphony in an extraordinarily slow performance of Mahler's First Symphony.   1/2 of the audience was enthusiastically applauding what they felt was a profound and moving performance, and the other 1/2 was hissing because they found it ponderous and boring! (It was an outdoor concert, so no one stormed anywhere, and I was disappointed that there were no fisticuffs between the people who were cheering and the people who were hissing. Now &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; would have been a reception to remember).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nancy! Glad you liked this. I&#8217;ve lately been listening to the other  (bigger) piece on the album, the Brahms Sonata in F Minor,  and their performance is growing on me each time, especially the last movement, which by the end really gets my heart racing.</p>
<p>So, should an encore be reserved for when it&#8217;s undeniable that the audience wants one? Sure! Does the performer know that from the stage? That&#8217;s uncertain.  Ideally, a performer: 1) Has prepared an encore (or a few of them) , but is not overly disappointed if they don&#8217;t get a chance to play them and 2) The audience clearly is showing enthusiasm, with multiple curtain calls and cries of &#8216;Encore!&#8217; (Sounds clear enough to me, anyway).</p>
<p>While one of these is often true, both may not be. If a performer is not 100% sure that an encore is welcome, they may be a bit too quick to return to the stage, for fear of losing the chance. On the other hand, audiences have begun to nearly always give a performance that isn&#8217;t bad a standing ovation. That&#8217;s a real shame, as it&#8217;s making standing ovations common, which is exactly what they are not supposed to be. As standing ovations get more common (and predictable), the performer may think they are standing in wait for an encore, when what they&#8217;re really  doing is getting their coats on to leave.</p>
<p>It would be great if appreciation and reciprocation (with encores) were more definitive, but based on performers can see or here, and the lack of clarity from the audience, communications between these 2 parties are not going to get better in the near future.</p>
<p>Oh, and yes, audiences booed, rioted and stormed out in the 19th (and 20th) centuries. Most of the ones I&#8217;ve been to have been annoyingly polite. I do remember a concert one summer when I was a student at Tanglewood, where a conductor led the Boston Symphony in an extraordinarily slow performance of Mahler&#8217;s First Symphony.   1/2 of the audience was enthusiastically applauding what they felt was a profound and moving performance, and the other 1/2 was hissing because they found it ponderous and boring! (It was an outdoor concert, so no one stormed anywhere, and I was disappointed that there were no fisticuffs between the people who were cheering and the people who were hissing. Now <em>that</em> would have been a reception to remember).</p>
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		<title>By: nancy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - wonderful!  I can't wait to try listening to the Variations.  And people used to storm out of concerts? How exciting!   OK, I have a question for your next music post.   When I go to classical music concerts, I notice that the performers are very (sometimes Very!) quick to return for an encore.   Shouldn't an encore be reserved for when the concert was so amazing that we all insist, insist!, on hearing more?  Or is it now just a given, that an encore will be performed?  What if the audience in fact would really rather go home?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David - wonderful!  I can&#8217;t wait to try listening to the Variations.  And people used to storm out of concerts? How exciting!   OK, I have a question for your next music post.   When I go to classical music concerts, I notice that the performers are very (sometimes Very!) quick to return for an encore.   Shouldn&#8217;t an encore be reserved for when the concert was so amazing that we all insist, insist!, on hearing more?  Or is it now just a given, that an encore will be performed?  What if the audience in fact would really rather go home?</p>
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		<title>By: ddrucker</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're welcome, MJ. BTW, if you ever want me to explain or elaborate on something I'll be happy to. I'm sure I'll get better at this as I get more practice.

I have to be careful not to fall into my old 'music critic' style, a job I occasionally had back when I was a grad student and for a brief period a couple years ago when we had  first moved here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome, MJ. BTW, if you ever want me to explain or elaborate on something I&#8217;ll be happy to. I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll get better at this as I get more practice.</p>
<p>I have to be careful not to fall into my old &#8216;music critic&#8217; style, a job I occasionally had back when I was a grad student and for a brief period a couple years ago when we had  first moved here.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ankenman</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ Ankenman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow..David .now that's a blog entry...I find this kind of info fascinating as I don't know the history of music. Now I have to go buy the album so I can hear what you are talking about. Thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow..David .now that&#8217;s a blog entry&#8230;I find this kind of info fascinating as I don&#8217;t know the history of music. Now I have to go buy the album so I can hear what you are talking about. Thanks for sharing.</p>
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