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	<title>Comments on: A Beautiful Day and Career Counseling from the Pointy-Haired Boss</title>
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		<title>By: carolbrowne</title>
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		<dc:creator>carolbrowne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 19:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found your post about looking for work.  If you're still looking for work, we recruit for science and high tech people at our agency, but are only able to help people who've collected E.I. in the last three years or who are currently collecting. Have a look at our website at www.fwt.bc.ca if you're interested, give me a call. As for dressing in a suit and tie?? The small and mid-size IT companies that I help recruit for expect more business casual - more like khakis and a dress shirt (nicely pressed, of course). But the bigger guys (like ActiveState or Business Objects) it may be better to go more formal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found your post about looking for work.  If you&#8217;re still looking for work, we recruit for science and high tech people at our agency, but are only able to help people who&#8217;ve collected E.I. in the last three years or who are currently collecting. Have a look at our website at <a href="http://www.fwt.bc.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.fwt.bc.ca</a> if you&#8217;re interested, give me a call. As for dressing in a suit and tie?? The small and mid-size IT companies that I help recruit for expect more business casual - more like khakis and a dress shirt (nicely pressed, of course). But the bigger guys (like ActiveState or Business Objects) it may be better to go more formal.</p>
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		<title>By: ddrucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddrucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 06:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback, Pete. I've done a lot of what you say. I've sent a very strong email to the company demanding that I be assigned to a different strategist.

As for the contact stuff, only this blog needs contactify; I've added a more standard contact form to my business blog. No recruiter will be visiting this blog (and I'm fine with that - not ashamed, but this is my personal live, not my business blog).

For the most part, I'll be contacting employers, not the other way around, so I'm not too worried about the contact forms. Now, as for my online portfolio, that's something altogether different. That is going to require a complete rework, as a talk I went to tonight at the STC made clear to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback, Pete. I&#8217;ve done a lot of what you say. I&#8217;ve sent a very strong email to the company demanding that I be assigned to a different strategist.</p>
<p>As for the contact stuff, only this blog needs contactify; I&#8217;ve added a more standard contact form to my business blog. No recruiter will be visiting this blog (and I&#8217;m fine with that - not ashamed, but this is my personal live, not my business blog).</p>
<p>For the most part, I&#8217;ll be contacting employers, not the other way around, so I&#8217;m not too worried about the contact forms. Now, as for my online portfolio, that&#8217;s something altogether different. That is going to require a complete rework, as a talk I went to tonight at the STC made clear to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.loudmurmurs.com/2007/04/30/a-beautiful-day-and-career-counseling-from-the-pointy-haired-boss/#comment-4155</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 21:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds like you should trust your gut and get a new advisor. how is a techno illiterate going to help you get a job at a tech company? most of those hiring WILL understand technology.

if you show up at an interview for a tech job with a suit and tie(  unless it's selling tech to large corporations ) you'll probably get laughed at or have your resume tossed in the circular file.

If you're looking for work and make it hard for potential employer to contact you like this contactify thing does, they'll be less likely to hire you. since you're essentially saying my need to prevent spam is more important than my need to make it easy for potential employers to contact me. 

once you have a job then go nuts on the antispam stuff but what's more important, getting a job or reducing the spam? 

you could do something as simple as putting an email me line and posting a gif file of your email so people can read it and type it in but spambots can't harvest it. you also don't have a phone number listed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like you should trust your gut and get a new advisor. how is a techno illiterate going to help you get a job at a tech company? most of those hiring WILL understand technology.</p>
<p>if you show up at an interview for a tech job with a suit and tie(  unless it&#8217;s selling tech to large corporations ) you&#8217;ll probably get laughed at or have your resume tossed in the circular file.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking for work and make it hard for potential employer to contact you like this contactify thing does, they&#8217;ll be less likely to hire you. since you&#8217;re essentially saying my need to prevent spam is more important than my need to make it easy for potential employers to contact me. </p>
<p>once you have a job then go nuts on the antispam stuff but what&#8217;s more important, getting a job or reducing the spam? </p>
<p>you could do something as simple as putting an email me line and posting a gif file of your email so people can read it and type it in but spambots can&#8217;t harvest it. you also don&#8217;t have a phone number listed.</p>
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		<title>By: ddrucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddrucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 16:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Isabella -

Thanks for the advice. I think that part of the challenge that we are facing is that my role is somewhere between a team leader and an internal consultant (go-to guy) for User Interface. That's a position that has some management (or at least, project and team management) aspects to it as well as some 'in the trenches' design work. The idea of doing 2 completely different resumés here might not work, since I will need to demonstrate if not equal parts tech and people skills, some degree of each of them.

Not sure that I can tailor the resumé to each job application, but there have been relatively few that are a good match for me lately, so it might be possible if there aren't many of them.

I gritted my teeth and did the suit test for them. I doubt if I'll wear the same dark suit for a &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; interview - I've always followed the same rule you described for interview dress (same as industry but a bit neater and more formal, and certainly not off the scale in formality, as it just makes you look silly and the hirer treat you as such).

Why do they do still do it? I suspect it's because many of their other clients have been new immigrants who are not at all familiar with the subtleties of business dress (like one who apparently showed up for this little 'test' with a dark suit...and white socks.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Isabella -</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice. I think that part of the challenge that we are facing is that my role is somewhere between a team leader and an internal consultant (go-to guy) for User Interface. That&#8217;s a position that has some management (or at least, project and team management) aspects to it as well as some &#8216;in the trenches&#8217; design work. The idea of doing 2 completely different resumés here might not work, since I will need to demonstrate if not equal parts tech and people skills, some degree of each of them.</p>
<p>Not sure that I can tailor the resumé to each job application, but there have been relatively few that are a good match for me lately, so it might be possible if there aren&#8217;t many of them.</p>
<p>I gritted my teeth and did the suit test for them. I doubt if I&#8217;ll wear the same dark suit for a <em>real</em> interview - I&#8217;ve always followed the same rule you described for interview dress (same as industry but a bit neater and more formal, and certainly not off the scale in formality, as it just makes you look silly and the hirer treat you as such).</p>
<p>Why do they do still do it? I suspect it&#8217;s because many of their other clients have been new immigrants who are not at all familiar with the subtleties of business dress (like one who apparently showed up for this little &#8216;test&#8217; with a dark suit&#8230;and white socks.)</p>
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		<title>By: isabella mori</title>
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		<dc:creator>isabella mori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 23:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey dave

as a former full-time and still part-time employment counsellor, i got quite antsy when i heard about the advice you got.  

first of all, and correct me if i'm wrong, it looks like you have one or two resumes.  in my experience, a successful resume is ALWAYS targetted to a specific job/situation.  for an upper management job you apply upper management speak, for a techie job you plug in something else.  if you were to look at one of my research resumes as opposed to one of my management resumes, you'd think it's a completely different person. 

(i once had a client with whom we managed to get the targetting of resumes and cover letters down to such a fine art that she would get interviews for almost every one of her applications)

i completely agree with jan.  a resume that would use the word "web site" would be embarrassing.  same thing with caps.  geesh.  

and the attire? again, what you wear needs to be appropriate to the industry.  i've seen some employment counsellors seriously suggesting to construction workers to show up in a suit and tie for an interview.  you can image the results!  a good rule of thumb is to wear industry and job specific attire, with just a touch more neatness or formality.  it just so happens that for a lot of jobs that ends up being suit and tie - but not for all.

ok, i'll get off my soapbox now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey dave</p>
<p>as a former full-time and still part-time employment counsellor, i got quite antsy when i heard about the advice you got.  </p>
<p>first of all, and correct me if i&#8217;m wrong, it looks like you have one or two resumes.  in my experience, a successful resume is ALWAYS targetted to a specific job/situation.  for an upper management job you apply upper management speak, for a techie job you plug in something else.  if you were to look at one of my research resumes as opposed to one of my management resumes, you&#8217;d think it&#8217;s a completely different person. </p>
<p>(i once had a client with whom we managed to get the targetting of resumes and cover letters down to such a fine art that she would get interviews for almost every one of her applications)</p>
<p>i completely agree with jan.  a resume that would use the word &#8220;web site&#8221; would be embarrassing.  same thing with caps.  geesh.  </p>
<p>and the attire? again, what you wear needs to be appropriate to the industry.  i&#8217;ve seen some employment counsellors seriously suggesting to construction workers to show up in a suit and tie for an interview.  you can image the results!  a good rule of thumb is to wear industry and job specific attire, with just a touch more neatness or formality.  it just so happens that for a lot of jobs that ends up being suit and tie - but not for all.</p>
<p>ok, i&#8217;ll get off my soapbox now.</p>
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